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[Riflebuilder]

I have been testing bullets, Hornady GMX , Hornady Innerbond , Barnes TSX , Nosler Accubond, Nosler Partition, Swift Scirrocco II , Speer Grand Slam in 300 RUM and 300WSM. Velocities from 2850 to 3500. bullet wieghts are 150g, 165g and 180g. I have photo's recovered bullets on my reloading digital scale, But I do not know how to post them in to a topic on this form( or any form) . Can someone who knows how to do this, send me a PM with there email address, and I will send you the file to post. Thanks Riflebuilder

[mu'in]

try using/uploading to http://www.postimage.org
no sign up or account needed - real EZ..
even creates code for forum links / post pics, -
1: upload pictures(s) - browse for file
2: copy link (scroll down to "Hotlink for Forums (1)" and select "Copy to Clipboard"
3: now just paste in forum and thats it...

[Riflebuilder]

Hornady 165g  GMX  , vel 3220

 

[Riflebuilder]

I will upload more pictures when I get time. Riflebuilder

[Riflebuilder]

All bullets are shot into a 1 gallon water jug with, dry news print , compacked in a box about 18" long , with 3 phone books or catologs in the rear , and a block of soft wood 18'' long as the final back stop. shot at 100 yrds.


The photo's are in this order .1 Hornady 165g GMX Vel 3026 , 2. Nosler Partition 180g Vel 3320 ,3. Swift Scirrocco II 180g Vel 3317 . 4. Barnes TSX 180g Vel 3334 5. Nosler Accobond 180g. 6. Speer Grand Slam 150g Vel 3442 7. 2 Nosler Accubonds 180g Vel 3322 . 8. Barnes X 140g, Vel 3400 , shot in to sand at 20 yrds. 9. Hornady Interbond 150g Vel 3600. 10. 2, Hornady GMX 165g left one Vel 2945 , Right Vel 3327. These are all bonded or copper bullets, next post , I will show the bits and pieces of regular cup and jacket bullets

Nosler Partition 180g Vel 3320 

 

 

 

Swift Scirocco II 180g Vel 3317

 

 

 

Barnes TSX 180g Vel 3334

 

 

Nosler Accobond 180g.   vel 2843

 

 

 

. Speer Grand Slam 150g Vel 3442 

 

 

 

2 Nosler Accubonds 180g Vel 3322 .

 

 

 

Barnes X 140g, Vel 3400  in to sand at 20 ydrs 

 

 

 

Hornady Interbond 150g Vel 3600. 

 

 

 

2, Hornady GMX 165g left one Vel 2945 , Right Vel 3327

 

[mu'in]

excellent...

[buckhunter]

great !! i shoot 130gr Interbonds from my 270 win and they perform well. the GMX pics makes them look like a great performing bullet. I wonder if them GMX's will perform the same out a 270 since its a smaller diametre? The polymer tip is made to initiate expantion. Thanks for all that great information and pics

[Riflebuilder]

Buckhunter , I have shot Hornady 150g Innerbonds out of my 300 Rum at 3600 fps, and they still wiegh 101g . I have no doubt they ( GMX or Innerbond) will work at 3000 fps ( .270 Velocities) . My best friend shot a 7 point buck at 270 yrds with 150g HIB , out of his 30-06 , Velocitiy was 2965 fps , broke front shoulder, toasted the lungs , and kept on going. try them out . All you need is 1 jug of water ( milk , windshield washer, ect) , fill a 18" to 24" box with news papers packed tight, then put 3 or 4 phone books or sears catologs behind the box . back that up with a nice piece of softwood 18'' long , ( the bullets will be very hot when you dig them out of the phone books). If you can not do it where your at, and you are coming to Moncton area sometime( bring your gun) , send me a PM, and I will take to the range and we will do the test. (ps open to anyone, ) you can try my .300 RUM too. Riflebuilder

 

[Moore]

Great work! Very interesting to see.

[Riflebuilder]

Here are some pictures of Cup and Jacket bullets ( normal) . In my test, its easy to see, when you go over 2900 fps and above , they can not handle the stress , and come apart . From 1800 fps to 2800 fps , they will work fine. But push them to fast , and your just going to wound your game , a specially on close shots . Riflebuilder 


Sierra 200g Game King  Vel  3134  from My 300 RUM 

 

 

 

 

 

Sierra 180g Game King Vel 3132

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hornady 178g A-max    Vel 3115

 

[buckhunter]

Buckhunter , I have shot Hornady 150g Innerbonds out of my 300 Rum at 3600 fps, and they still wiegh 101g . I have no doubt they ( GMX or Innerbond) will work at 3000 fps ( .270 Velocities) . My best friend shot a 7 point buck at 270 yrds with 150g HIB , out of his 30-06 , Velocitiy was 2965 fps , broke front shoulder, toasted the lungs , and kept on going. try them out . All you need is 1 jug of water ( milk , windshield washer, ect) , fill a 18" to 24" box with news papers packed tight, then put 3 or 4 phone books or sears catologs behind the box . back that up with a nice piece of softwood 18'' long , ( the bullets will be very hot when you dig them out of the phone books). If you can not do it where your at, and you are coming to Moncton area sometime( bring your gun) , send me a PM, and I will take to the range and we will do the test. (ps open to anyone, ) you can try my .300 RUM too. Riflebuilder

From the pics of the GMX bullets, they seem to be hornadys bullet compitition to the Barnes TSX. do you know what the minimum velocity for the GMX bullet is for proper expansion.

[buckhunter]

Solid and bonded bullets are the way to go! My 270 win shoots loads from 3060 fps up to 3200 fps. cup and jacket bullets would separate. for me a complet pass through with a nice size exit hole on game is what i want

[wonksy]

That's why ballistic tip bullets kill so fastly...
They deposit all of there energy into the animal(no exit)
But to dam messy for my likeing!
I'll stick to my NPs and ABs(Tsx is a dandee to though)

[mu'in]

"That's why ballistic tip bullets kill so fastly...
They deposit all of there energy into the animal(no exit)
But to dam messy for my likeing!
I'll stick to my NPs and ABs(Tsx is a dandee to though)"
X2 ballistc tips / v max .. explosive little buggers,,meat destroyers for sure.!!
I keep some loaded up for targets/yotes... but thats it.
would rather use a standard bullet (IE.. winchester PSP) for deer..

Had great results with 180gr Accubonds (Main bullet)
I have used the TSX.. Good strong bullet i wouldnt hesitate to use either
I find you just dont want be to close (my observation only), had 180 TSX's ZIP right though the rib cage..to fast/ and to close, seems like they didnt expand... (300win mag)
thought I missed twice, untili saw the steam trail... LOL.

preference for me to the Accubonds.... Moose just seem to drop.
Perfect mushrooms with the ones i have found.

(But mind you, i have seen quite few animals knocked flat with standard ole, cup and core bullets..)

[Frosty]

Great info rifle builder. In the right situation many bullets will work. However when really pushed the performance differences come out.

Buckhunter Hornady suggests 2000 fps to open up. On their site they show bullets fired at different velocity. At 2000 the expansion is limited.

[buckhunter]

Great info rifle builder. In the right situation many bullets will work. However when really pushed the performance differences come out.

Buckhunter Hornady suggests 2000 fps to open up. On their site they show bullets fired at different velocity. At 2000 the expansion is limited.

i'v been to there site and was unable to find bullets fired at different velocity

[300RUM Hunter]

I have a Barnes DVD where they show the TSX performance with a high speed camera. The TSX expands with "hydraulic" pressure, the fluids from the hide forced into the small hollow point is what expands the bullet. They show this in comparison with other bullets into ballistic gel blocks. I can't quote velocities but they were surpisingly low for expansion.

I use TSX's in my 300 ultra mag, have had 100% success at very close range and as far as 450yrs on a moose. I have no reason to try anything else at this point!

[HunterSmitty]

I'm trying to figure out which bullets to by, and figured someone in here may have some good experience. I'm looking to use the same bullet for Moose and Deer this year, so I was thinking a 165 grain should be enough for a moose, and perfect for deer. I'm looking on the cabela's site, and it seems hard to pick the right shell. It doesnt seem like you can get a Nosler Accubond in the 165 grain in the Federal Premiums.

Here is a picture of the options:



Anyone have a preference in the Federal Premiums that would be good for Moose and Deer for a Tikka 30-06?

[Riflebuilder]

HunterSmitty , just looked at the Federal web site, they do not load 165g Accubonds in the 30-06, but 180g will knock your Deer or Moose flat, if you hit the vitals, they should be fine in your Tikka.

[Frosty]

Federal is hot on their Trophy Bonded which is a tipped bonded bullet. They have also introduced their Copper line of monolithic bullet like Barnes TTSX or Hornady GMX. Any of these or the Accubond would be great in 165 or 180 (or even 150 for that matter). Good to use a well constructed bullet that will not disintegrate but shot placement is always key.

Riflebuilder does know his stuff.