announce today... 
MOOSEBUCK
I know this won't make everyone happy, but than again, not everyone is happy at whatever draw system they would put in place...
I say they should do like in Ontario, and favorise group hunting,, we all know that not many people in N.B. hunt Moose alone, we all hunt with a group of guys
either it be 2, 3, 4 or more hunters together....
Why not make a draw system where you would either apply an individual like it is now, or as hunting group,, the larger the group, the better your odds of
being drawn?
We know there's 60 000 + idividuals who apply for moose, this would not change in any way, but if people would apply as groups of 2, the 60 000 applications
is still the same, but only 30 000 groups in the draw.. We know there's people who'll aplly as groups of 3, or 4 and even larger groups, this takes the #
wayyyy down from 30 000............ Thus giving every one a better chance a hunting moose.
Some will argue that grand ma and grand dad etc are still gonna apply for someone,, not a problem, make it that once a group of people apply as a GROUP, this GROUP
cannot be altered in any way, unless with proof of a death certificate, and that all members of the said GROUP has to be a participant in the hunt...
Grand ma applies sure not a problem,,but she still has to join in on the hunt
We would see alot more hunters who really hunt than a bunch of people applying for just anyone
Once a member of a group is drawn, all other members of this group is taken out of the drawn, the person with the most years applying without being succesful
gets to put the license in his/her name, any other member of the group who wants the second gun, can purchase the second license.
Only the person who bought the license loses his/her priority group points.
Make it that licenses have to be purchased by lets say, August 15th every license not purchased goes into a Second Draw (Mini Draw), early September
Same rules for the Mini Draw as for the Main Draw, but applications for the MINI Draw don't count for the prority pool.
They want to make more money, there's another +/- $600 000.00 in application fees, plus +/- $10 000.00 in unclaimed licences every year.
They could even prioritise groups of hunters who hunt with people who have been 25+ years without being successful
(Groups of 4 + with 1 - 25+ years without success hunter, guarantees a licence).
Knowing there's +/- 150 of these people in the province that's +/- 600 groups @ 4 applicants = 2400 happy hunters
Here's the Actual #'s for Ontario 2014 Moose Draw
General Draw Statistics
Total Tags Available...........................................................13,499
Total applicants entered in the draw..............................96,720
Total successful applicants................................................12,350
Tags Available
Gun Bull............................................................................ 5,982
Gun Cow............................................................................4,694
Gun Calf................................................................................234
Bow Bull................................................................................925
Bow Cow............................................................................1,546
Bow Calf...............................................................................118
Total.................................................................................13,499
Group Statistics
Total number of hunters in groups................................49,325
Total number of groups.....................................................9,166
Total tags issued to groups...............................................6,057
Percentage of groups receiving tags.................................67%
Individual Statistics
Total number of hunters applying as individuals.........47,399
Total tags issued to individuals........................................6,293
Percentage of individuals receiving tags..........................13%
For my part I would rather be in group at 67% that as an individual at 13%
I say they should do like in Ontario, and favorise group hunting,, we all know that not many people in N.B. hunt Moose alone, we all hunt with a group of guys
either it be 2, 3, 4 or more hunters together....
Why not make a draw system where you would either apply an individual like it is now, or as hunting group,, the larger the group, the better your odds of
being drawn?
We know there's 60 000 + idividuals who apply for moose, this would not change in any way, but if people would apply as groups of 2, the 60 000 applications
is still the same, but only 30 000 groups in the draw.. We know there's people who'll aplly as groups of 3, or 4 and even larger groups, this takes the #
wayyyy down from 30 000............ Thus giving every one a better chance a hunting moose.
Some will argue that grand ma and grand dad etc are still gonna apply for someone,, not a problem, make it that once a group of people apply as a GROUP, this GROUP
cannot be altered in any way, unless with proof of a death certificate, and that all members of the said GROUP has to be a participant in the hunt...
Grand ma applies sure not a problem,,but she still has to join in on the hunt
We would see alot more hunters who really hunt than a bunch of people applying for just anyone
Once a member of a group is drawn, all other members of this group is taken out of the drawn, the person with the most years applying without being succesful
gets to put the license in his/her name, any other member of the group who wants the second gun, can purchase the second license.
Only the person who bought the license loses his/her priority group points.
Make it that licenses have to be purchased by lets say, August 15th every license not purchased goes into a Second Draw (Mini Draw), early September
Same rules for the Mini Draw as for the Main Draw, but applications for the MINI Draw don't count for the prority pool.
They want to make more money, there's another +/- $600 000.00 in application fees, plus +/- $10 000.00 in unclaimed licences every year.
They could even prioritise groups of hunters who hunt with people who have been 25+ years without being successful
(Groups of 4 + with 1 - 25+ years without success hunter, guarantees a licence).
Knowing there's +/- 150 of these people in the province that's +/- 600 groups @ 4 applicants = 2400 happy hunters
Here's the Actual #'s for Ontario 2014 Moose Draw
General Draw Statistics
Total Tags Available...........................................................13,499
Total applicants entered in the draw..............................96,720
Total successful applicants................................................12,350
Tags Available
Gun Bull............................................................................ 5,982
Gun Cow............................................................................4,694
Gun Calf................................................................................234
Bow Bull................................................................................925
Bow Cow............................................................................1,546
Bow Calf...............................................................................118
Total.................................................................................13,499
Group Statistics
Total number of hunters in groups................................49,325
Total number of groups.....................................................9,166
Total tags issued to groups...............................................6,057
Percentage of groups receiving tags.................................67%
Individual Statistics
Total number of hunters applying as individuals.........47,399
Total tags issued to individuals........................................6,293
Percentage of individuals receiving tags..........................13%
For my part I would rather be in group at 67% that as an individual at 13%
Just curious,how many moose hunters are 1or 2 hunters in their party? Nothing wrong with it....mayby we should have a survey!!!!
AG
When I say hunters, I should clarify......Persons to there hunting party( no just hunters).
AG
When I say hunters, I should clarify......Persons to there hunting party( no just hunters).
I would say not many hunters hunt moose alone, when they get drawn they invite whoever they want to join in the hunt.
The system I'm trying to come up with would not change that, but if you are in a Hunting Party, your chances would be greater at a license
and every member of the party at the time of the application would have to join in the hunt. So if you applied for your Grand Mother, if your Party is drawn
you have to take Grand Ma with you, as she is a member of the Party. You can still apply alone like we do know and take someone who has not applied for moose
or applied in a Party and was not drawn, but your chances at a license would be less than the Party hunters.
I love that group idea, thats how most of us hunt moose anyway. For some reason I remember that it didnt go over real well on here the last couple of times it was brought up. I guess there are hunters whith horseshoes up you know where who are happy with things just as they are. I know a couple of them.
Some people, me included, apply alone,, don't have a group of guys I want to apply with, but if a group system would be put in place, and give priority to the groups before the individuals people could still apply as individuals, but their chances or being drawn would be smaller
I see it this way, if people would apply as groups of lets say 3, that's +/- 20 000 groups, at 4000 licences every year, that's 1 license/group every 5 years.
That's if you play with the #, since we know that groups can re-apply next year and have a chance at another license.
Lates on the Moose Hunt :
Tentative 5 days on still starting the 20th of sept.
All hunters who get drawn must show positive proof of hunters safety and current pal.
Previous license required if hunters safety card not available but PAL a must.
Next year there will be a shooting test. Pron at 100 yards
Tentative 5 days on still starting the 20th of sept.
All hunters who get drawn must show positive proof of hunters safety and current pal.
Previous license required if hunters safety card not available but PAL a must.
Next year there will be a shooting test. Pron at 100 yards
I also heard they found quite a few Moose with arrows in them and the animal wasn't recovered.
A meeting will be held to determine if bows will be allowed on the moose hunt in the future.
A meeting will be held to determine if bows will be allowed on the moose hunt in the future.
I can't see that unless it is out of season, I only know of two or three people that take a bow and I'm one of them; the one time I ever got drawn. Maybe is was bolts and not arrows
LOL....probly.I can't see that unless it is out of season, I only know of two or three people that take a bow and I'm one of them; the one time I ever got drawn. Maybe is was bolts and not arrows
Since when is a PAL required,and since when did NBDNR get on board with enforcing Federal regs that the province supposedly never supported.
What a crock of Nazi shiite.....one does not need a PAL to hunt.....PERIOD
I guess when you do the revived shooting test they ask for a PAL. You not suppose to have a rifle without one. It going to be tough sleding.
As long as a person with you has a PAL.. you can carry and use a firearm without one.. AFAIK..
Hunter safety should be a pre requisite though...
Hunter safety should be a pre requisite though...
People will say just about anything to get some attention
NEVER will you need a PAL in order to hunt.
NEVER will you see the shooting test in order to hunt.
IT IS mandatory to have a hunter safety or a proof of previous hunting experience in order to hunt, nothing changed there
NEVER will you need a PAL in order to hunt.
NEVER will you see the shooting test in order to hunt.
IT IS mandatory to have a hunter safety or a proof of previous hunting experience in order to hunt, nothing changed there
Hunters growl at Hunters applying for NON HUNTERS, yet I have never met a Hunter who said they applied for a NON HUNTER, I wonder who makes
them NON HUNTERS apply??? :blink:
them NON HUNTERS apply??? :blink:
"IT IS mandatory to have a hunter safety or a proof of previous hunting experience in order to hunt, nothing changed there" ..
Mandatory maybe..
but it doesnt seem to be a requirement or enforced for a moose tag ..(or so it seems from what i hear...)
Otherwise the (for lack of a better name) "non hunters" who get drawn shouldnt have been able to apply (or pick up the licence) without proof...)
I am out of the loop so to speak, Do you need this for Moose? are you asked for Proof?
Mandatory maybe..
but it doesnt seem to be a requirement or enforced for a moose tag ..(or so it seems from what i hear...)
Otherwise the (for lack of a better name) "non hunters" who get drawn shouldnt have been able to apply (or pick up the licence) without proof...)
I am out of the loop so to speak
, Do you need this for Moose? are you asked for Proof?
You don't need anything in order to apply for a moose license, but if drawn you need to show proof of previous hunting experience (any old license will do) or a hunters education course..."IT IS mandatory to have a hunter safety or a proof of previous hunting experience in order to hunt, nothing changed there" ..
Mandatory maybe..
but it doesnt seem to be a requirement or enforced for a moose tag ..(or so it seems from what i hear...)
Otherwise the (for lack of a better name) "non hunters" who get drawn shouldnt have been able to apply (or pick up the licence) without proof...)
I am out of the loop so to speak
You can also sign an Afidavit if you can't show a previous hunting license. The previous hunting license or affidavit part, is only valid for people born before 1981.
And you also don't need a rifle to hunt moose, as you can hunt with a bow, and you don't need a bow OR a Rifle if you hunt with someone older than 19 who has a valid PAL.
But to answer your questions, yes You NEED proof when purchasing a Moose license
They came out with the outdoor Card this year to apply,, some people say it will "weed" out some "Non Hunters",, I don't see why it would, as anyone can just go on line or at any store and sign up for one...
If we want to "weed" out the "Non Hunters" it's very easy to do,,, make group applications and every member of the said group has to be a active member of the hunt...
Grand Ma applies for her 15 grand kids,,, when a member of the group is picked, Grand Ma has to be there also
If we want to "weed" out the "Non Hunters" it's very easy to do,,, make group applications and every member of the said group has to be a active member of the hunt...
Grand Ma applies for her 15 grand kids,,, when a member of the group is picked, Grand Ma has to be there also
You can hunt with a bow.
You can hunt with a xbow.(moose ??)
You can hunt with a flintlock rifle.
You can hunt with a valid PAL holding partner.
Neither of the 4 scenarios require you to actually have a PAL yourself.
I'd say NB legislators best get their firearm law facts straight before they go making up restrictive new bullchit rules that exclude legit hunters from buying a moose licence.
You can hunt with a xbow.(moose ??)
You can hunt with a flintlock rifle.
You can hunt with a valid PAL holding partner.
Neither of the 4 scenarios require you to actually have a PAL yourself.
I'd say NB legislators best get their firearm law facts straight before they go making up restrictive new bullchit rules that exclude legit hunters from buying a moose licence.
A N.B. forest ranger can not ask you for your PAL , He falls under the province jurisdiction! That's why they are sometimes with a RCMP officer......
AG
AG
I think you can hunt Moose with a X-Bow as of 2016, but not sure
How many so called "Legit Hunters" do you think there is in N.B.?
They gave out over 100 000 Outdoor Cards, I guess there's a lot of "Non Hunters" who'll be applying again this year lol
Sorry AG but you are wrong. DNR enforcement offices are now under Public safety and have all powers of a police officer.
Afaik,they always did have all of the powers of a police officer,and were never under any kind of restriction,ie;"can not ask you for a PAL".......they just simply did not,as back in the day,NB was officially opposed to the registry/C-68 as a province.NBDNR simply took the stance that it was not their job to enforce it.....not that they couldn't.
Perhaps that stance may have changed in recent years......not surprising,given the recent sweep of Libtard MPs in the east.
Perhaps that stance may have changed in recent years......not surprising,given the recent sweep of Libtard MPs in the east.
Outdoors card also includes non-hunting anglers.
Best guess based on annual licence sales is there are app. 60,000 "real" hunters in NB?
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