Really these are only monolithic (all copper or alley) except the XP3 has lead in the base to make it have a heavier to weight ratio. The ammo and gun combo above with 165 GMX worked well on NFL moose in my 300WSM. So you may want to look at GMX or TTSX.
If you are looking at long shots where your velocity goes below 2000fps you may want to look at traditional bonded bullets. I recovered a 165 Accubond from a deer. It entered the neck and lodged by the skin in the back leg (20 to 24 in penetration.) The bullet produced a perfect classic mushroom and weighed 120gm's. Interbond or Trophy bonded should be quite similar.
CXP2 are fantastic bullets for deer size game,but I will NEVER use them again(nor CXP3) for moose/elk size critters.
I fired a 165gr(or was it 150gr?) at a sharp quartering away angle at a moose,100yards give or take(?).....ZERO penetration to vitals!!
Bullet glanced off of ribs and lodged in the near shoulder.
If that had been my first or only shot(a shot I wouldn't hesitate to take again with proper moose bullet)I would have wounded and lost that big bull.
As it was.....it was my 2nd shot,1st was a broadside double lunger that produced a huge cough of pink mist....and I got the moose,he wasn't going far,but he made it another 100yards into the swamp thanks to poor bullet choice and performance.
3rd shot straight away into hump put him on the ground....4th to high neck....tuff bass turd....5th to base of skull/neck junction.
Only time in 30+ years I've ever emptied the 30-06 into an animal,albeit he was dead on his feet at the first shot,he was just too stubborn to give up the ghost.....but I've learned over the years no matter how good the first shot looks,if they're on their feet keep shooting.
any trigger time is good times! first time at that kind of test.. interesting stuff for sure
I have 70 grain tsx loaded for my 250ai.. but have yet to shoot anything with it.. but really haven't spent much time after yotes either. based on seeing these pics for the larger calibers and some older pics Robin has posted before.. I'm really leaning to getting some loaded for my 30-06.. and like he mentioned in 150 gr or so.. would be comparable weight retention to my old 180 gr softpoints
While I traditionally prefer heavyish for caliber bullets the monometals are one time when I lean the opposite way except when loading high velocity magnums or big bores. A 130 to 150 ish grain monometal from the .30-06 really tends to shine. Yes you're giving up some of the long range performance, beyond 400 meters, but if you're shooting that far you want a bullet that will expand in a reliable and consistent manner even at lower velocities something like a Nosler Partition, Accubond, Speer BTSP, Nosler Ballistic tip or my least favorite bullet for hunting the Berger VLD hunting in a heavier bullet.
NB Deerhunter and I were out trying out his Savage 30-06 and a Tikka 300 wsm with Barnes 175g TTSX and the new Hornady 200g EDL-X bullets ,
175g Barnes LR TTSX from 300 wsm at vel 2987 and it"s retained weights is 173.7 grains.
The Hornady 200g EDL-X bullets ,were shot from the 300 RUM at vel 3108, 300wsm at Vel 2755 and reduced load in the 30-06 at vel 2436 , I can not explain the results of the 3 bullets shot. Tried the 300 Rum first , exploded the water jug just fine , but I could not fined any bullet fragments any were in the phone books , nothing ?. So the RUM (3108) must be to fast it , so tried it out of the 300 WSM at 2755 , exploded the jug fine , All I could find for fragments are in photo below . So Ok , lets try the reduced 30-06 load , bang , jug does not move , I thought I missed , so I walk down to the jug , and there is a leaking .308 hole in the front and back , BUT we still could not find the bullet in the phone books, we looked hard , I can not understand how it could not have expanded in the jug of water?. and then not being able the recover the bullet , weird , so next time I am out . (tomorrow with Chadman ) I am going to try one out of his 30-06 at 2500 to 2600 fps and have a piece of soft wood behind the jug , to capture the bullet , we post what I recover .
Finally captured another Hornady 200g EDL-X bullet
First attempt , 45.3 g for 22.6% retained weight
Second attempt , 89.4g for 44.7% weight retained , This bullet seems to be made for long range performance ( + 400. yards ,) not a hundred yards or under were velocities are to high for its construction . jacket seems to be thin .
mu'in , as far as I Am concerned , the Barnes TSX , TTSX and Hornady GMX ( and Nosler E-tips , only tried 130g 270 win so far ) are the best close range too 500 yard bullets available, they hold 90% to 100% of the weight and go all the way though a animal,( two holes are better than one ) there only fault is that the velocity have to stay above 1800 to 2000 fps , for them too expand , below is pics of a Barnes 225g .338 TTSX bullet , from a 338 win mag (left) recovered from a 15 point NFL bull moose , that was shot at a unknown distance , and the bullet was found when butchering , it had drop below 1800 fps at 620 yards and did not expand , but it did enough damage to track and finish it off . ( I was not there) , the right bullet is a barnes tsx 175g LR , 308" bullet , fired from a 30-30 , at around 2000 fps , and it only starts to expand . and measures .495" dia . I have seen SST and gameking bullets fail to go half way through deer , shot with in 40 yards by a 30-06 , Is the deer dead , yes , I like a bullets to fully penetrate , but this my opinion . So for long range game shots , a normal cup and jacket bullets work ( Hornady ELD-X , SST , Berger VLD , Nosler BT , Sierra Game King ), because too velocity has slowed down enough for the bullet with stand the impact , up close , high velocity is what kills ( pardon the pun ) a normal cup & jacket bullet , especially if heavy bone is struck ( or a jug of water) . Which my testing has verified for each type of bullet . your 130g tsx will put anything in this province in the freezer . EVERY ONE If you recover a bullet, anytime , please post pics of it here , I would like too see more caliber, and bullet type in this post. R
Been out blowing up water jugs again , with my new switch barrel rifle , a Stainless steel Montana 1999 ( Pre 64 Win copy ) in 257 Wheatherby ( .338 Win Mag, and .375 H&H barrels will be added in time) and a Savage 111 338 Lapua mag long range hunter .
Hornady 225g SST Vel 3018 49.4% weight retained , had jacket and core separation
Barnes 185g TTSX Vel 3284 91.1% weight retained
Nosler 225g Accubond Vel 3015 49.1% weight retained
120g Speer Grand Slam Vel 3278 60.5% weight retained and expanded too 0.480" diameter , I was impressed
110g Nosler Accubond Vel 3410 ,50.9% weight retained
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