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Way too go Mu'in , can you tell me about the load , and where the shot hit the animal ?. kind off surprised you recovered the bullet and that it lost all 4 petals , they usually go all the way though . Do you have any pics of the animal . R
 

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Sure..
was 53.2 grs of IMR4350 ...

slight quarter..
bullet deflected a bit going in it seems, went though lungs,
hit a far rib going out and exiting through the front shoulder.. bullet was right under the hide.

Bull went 20yds and was DRT..
 

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All I can think off, it must have hit the entrance rib at a angle , like you said , and that stripped off the 4 petals , causing the bullet to yaw in flight .

Federal Premium: 270 Win. 130g Barnes TSX , though my Nightforce Ballistics software "100 yard zero "

"Trajectory values "

Elev wind Target

yards moa moa lead "E" "W" "lead"

vel energy drop TOF

0 0.00 0.00 0.00 -1.5 0.0 0.0 3060 2702 0.0 0.0000

25 3.00 0.25 1.75 -0.8 -0.0 0.4 3004 2604 -0.1 0.0247
50 0.50 0.25 1.75 -0.3 -0.2 0.9 2949 2509 -0.5 0.0499
75 -0.00 0.50 1.75 0.0 -0.4 1.3 2894 2417 -1.1 0.0756
100 0.00 0.50 1.75 -0.0 -0.7 1.8 2840 2328 -1.9 0.1017
125 0.25 0.75 1.75 -0.3 -1.0 2.3 2787 2241 -3.1 0.1284
150 0.50 1.00 1.75 -0.8 -1.5 2.7 2734 2157 -4.5 0.1555
175 1.00 1.00 1.75 -1.7 -2.1 3.2 2682 2076 -6.2 0.1832
200 1.25 1.25 1.75 -2.8 -2.7 3.7 2631 1997 -8.2 0.2115
225 1.75 1.50 1.75 -4.3 -3.5 4.2 2580 1921 -10.5 0.2402
250 2.25 1.75 1.75 -6.1 -4.3 4.7 2530 1847 -13.1 0.2696
275 2.75 1.75 1.75 -8.2 -5.3 5.3 2480 1776 -16.1 0.2995
300 3.50 2.00 1.75 -10.7 -6.3 5.8 2431 1706 -19.4 0.3300
325 4.00 2.25 1.75 -13.5 -7.5 6.4 2382 1638 -23.2 0.3612
350 4.50 2.50 2.00 -16.7 -8.8 6.9 2334 1573 -27.2 0.3930
375 5.25 2.50 2.00 -20.4 -10.2 7.5 2287 1509 -31.7 0.4254
400 5.75 2.75 2.00 -24.4 -11.7 8.1 2240 1448 -36.6 0.4585
425 6.50 3.00 2.00 -28.9 -13.3 8.7 2194 1389 -41.9 0.4924
450 7.25 3.25 2.00 -33.8 -15.1 9.3 2148 1332 -47.7 0.5269
475 8.00 3.50 2.00 -39.2 -17.0 9.9 2103 1276 -54.0 0.5622
500 8.50 3.75 2.00 -45.1 -19.0 10.5 2058 1223 -60.7 0.5
 

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All I can think off, it must have hit the entrance rib at a angle , like you said , and that stripped off the 4 petals , causing the bullet to yaw in flight .
I will have to say... the Barnes still worked fine... (The freezer tells no lies)

and dead is dead... ;)

I also expected a complete pass though.. ;)

Thanks

M
 

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I "ve been testing . 257 100g Barnes TTST again at vel 3320 from my 257 Weatherby , 86.1 % weight retained

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Next is a 130g Nolser E-tip from a 270 WSM at Vel 3057 weight retained 99.3 % , Really impressed with the E-Tips and the GMX bullets , the pedals seem tougher , and do not break off .

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Next is a 150g 308 Hornady GMX , from my 300 RUM vel 3299 , weight retained 99 %

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225g Nosler Accubond from a 338 Lapua , at vel 2794 weight retained 58.8 %

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How do you find the accuracy of the GMX ... vs the TTSX
 

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Riflebuilder, was wondering what you are shooting into and how you retrieve the bullet.This is my first year hunting with Berger and would like to see how they retain their weight compare to the Hornady Interlock I was using before. Thanks!!
 

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CRL , I use 1 gallon or bigger jugs with water ( laundry soap , windshield , 2 litre pop bottle ) and phone books or big catalogs to stop the bullets, at 100 yrds . You will not find much left of the berger bullet ( less than 25% i think ) , they are made too penetrate 2" to 3" inches and then fragment , they work great if the heart and lungs a hit , but do not try too go though heavy bone . give it a try , and post what you find . the Hornady interlocks will retain more weight . high Velocity ( above 2800 fps) causes normal Cup and Jacket formed bullets to come apart on close range shots .

Hornady 178g A -max 19% weight retained , does not hold together well in this test or any other target bullet I have tested , the jackets are too thin .

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Hi,

Riflebuilder loaded many of these different bullets for my 300 wsm. They were shot from an Browning X-bolt and many are on the early posts. (I also have a BLR 300 at my son's but he has tried to lay claim to it. He is a lefty so I like guns that are left friendly.)

I have seen riflebuilders set up and it is good. I have a 165 GMX shot from a 300 WSM, recovered from his set up and a 165 Accubond that went lengthways though a deer. Both have perfect mushrooms. However the GMX was within a couple of graims of 165. The Accubond weighted about 120 gms and was that much smaller than the Gmx. My concern is are we eating the other 40 gms because it is in minute pieces?

I did use the gmx 165 300 wsm on a NFL moose. The first shot would have been fatal but I put 2 more though the moose. All were pass though and not recovered. The 165 accubond was shot from a tree stand and quatering away. It entered the medium sized buck though the neck, went across and though the body cavity and stopped by the skin on the opposite side just in front of the hind leg. The deer was dead when it hit the ground. I also like the Barnes, TTSX. I think they are both accurate (Gmx) from my limited testing. The TTSX is pure brass and from searches I believe it is somewhat more likely to lose its petals than the gmx. In reading about it seems to work somewhat like the Partician. It was one of the first premium bullets that performed well and consistantly in big game. It would often loose petals and keep penetrating,.. perhaps not a bad thing.

I believe Berger bullets on the other hand are based on a different principle. They were a target bullet that some long distance shooters tried on big game. They work like a varmit round except they enter 2 or 3 inches before blowing up. They can result in dramatic kills but if a heavy bone is hit they may produce a cripple with little blood trail. They often do not pass though. Maximum force is used on the game but not always in lethal spots. That is why I prefer monolithics such (as TTSX or Gmx) or bonded bullets.

My thoughts,

Frosty
 

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No water jug this time , nice 4 point spike horn deer , at a laser range of 457 yards , 300 RUM . 180g Swift Scirocco 2 vel 3410 , put 2 1/2 MOA up on my NXS elevation turret , from my 285 yard zero ( 2" high at 100 yrds) , and waited for it to stop too feed , aimed for the top end of the right shoulder blade , Bang , flop , when I can back from recoil , all 4 legs up in the air . Bullet entered right shoulder ( hit the spinal cord with bone splatter ) , angled ( It was a downward shot) down though the top of right lung , shredded left lung and put a 3/4" out the hide . To my surprise the heart had a big chunk out of it , that must have been from bone splatter , It is nice not having to track after the shot . :D Shot a bear with this load a couple years ago , at 388 yards , and it was a double lung shot , and it only went 15 yards ,

So I am really impressed with the Scirocco 2 bullets , I am ordering 3 more boxes of 100 , .308 - 180g , 338 -210g and 257 -100g to play with .

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Great eating buck there Rb... Congrats !!
 

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Yeah RB you know my loads, speed kills, bullet through and through behind the leg jellied the heart . 308 loaded with Winchester brass, CCi primer, 4350 powder and a Hornady 150 gr SP
Was a bang, flop
 

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bang flop is the best , did the 150g Hornady sp make it all the way though?. I have seen a Hornady 150g sst and a Sierra 165g GK HP from a 30-06 only make it half way though a deer , is the deer dead , yes , but I like full penetration , more air in , and blood out . R
 

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a friend of mine shot a buck some years ago with a 308 and 165 sierra gamekings broadside shoulder shot...bullet never fully penetrated and came apart he looked long n hard before he found that deer..deer made it over a 100yrdswith barely any blood trail to follow if i remember right..same thing happened to my cousin shootin hornady ftxs out of his 3030..30yrd shot deer got up n ran he luckily hit him again ..found out 1st bullet didnt even make it to the vitals..wasnt the 3030s fault...he and i have both shot multiple deer with 3030 with diff bullets all complete pass thrus..i shot a deer last week with 150 speer hotcores handloads entered behind one shoulder upward anngle broke opposite shoulder n exited
 

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Speer hotcores are a tough bullet , they pour melted 1.5% lead on too the 5% rear lead core , fusing the two together , and it is all most like a bonded bullet , BUT lead does"t fuse to the jacket quite as good , as a bonded bullet . On a deer they should work great.

I am really impress with the Swift Sirocco II bullets , find they hold more weight and expand to a wider front diameter then Nosler Accubonds , but they are great bullets too , the Hornady Interbond is great too , I turned a 150g IB inside out , out of my 300 RUM at 3642 fps , the pick is back on page 2 or 3 I think . But Hornady has discontinued production on all interbonds for a while , for some reason . R
 
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