[GameChaser]

I was thinking of buying a woodlot for a camp and was wondering what you guys think of leasing a crown land camp lot.

 

[SlickTrick]

The only thing that comes to mind for me is;

You invest a lot of money and time into the camp, and it's not yours.

Now, I really don't know a lot about Crown Lease. I have thought about it as well. It would be nice to have one with riparian rights attached to it.

 

[Woolly]

I was thinking of buying a woodlot for a camp and was wondering what you guys think of leasing a crown land camp lot.

I had been thinking along the same lines. I plan to hold off until the Government decides if they are increasing the lease fees or not.

If they go as high as Shawn and the Boys are trying for, I'll look at buying a piece of land instead.

 

[takin'time]

What I've seen of crown lots is they lease them in clusters so you can't pick your neighbours ie: cannan, shepardy
limits what you do ie: target practise out your back door because camps are so close
And since DNR has alot of camps/hunters in one area it is lot easier to keep an eye on everyone.
I like my camp on my land away from crowds.
Game chaser if your interested in land check out my ad

 

[greatwhite]

I thought I heard that NB was no longer going to leasing any small tract of land?

 

[greyghost]

Not all camps on DNR leases are in clusters , many are all by themselves . Camp clusters didn't exist before the late 70's ,early 80's . Before this you could pick out your own spot on crown land , get it approved , surveyed and build your camp . Lots of these old camp leases come up for sale every year , some of them going back 60 years or more .
Yes , you do own the camp , it's yours . You lease the property it sits on . If you're on a water front lot the anual lease is greater than one that is not on water . You also pay property tax on the assessed value of the property and the camp .

No matter where your camp is or who's property it's sitting on , it's a pretty piss poor idea to be shooting a gun off the back porch .

 

[Bam]

Crown land is what you make of it and what you want...It may work for some and not others....I would not trade my lease for 100,000 lol.... Paridise IMO or pricless! I pay 650 lease and 150 taxes for one acre on a water lease... not bad considering I have 10,000 plus hectares of crown land adjacent to my one acre to hunt lmao...
Cheers
Bam

 

[takin'time]

Holder' now "piss poor idea" pretty strong words!!
What's so bad about shooting off my own porch?? It's my back yard!!
Safety first I agree but a stable rest (picnic table),a good back stop, a place for the kids to shoot the 22 from and adults to sight rifles from after a rough trip in to camp.
I think it is a great idea!!!

 

[ElseSomeOne]

It all depends on what your needs are, but if you can, buy some land, and a little more than 1 acre.

My parents have had a camp for about 30 years now, on a crown lease. It's worked well all that time, but this spring, the logging company went it an cut all the wood around their lease. So now they have a camp with no privacy, that sits in the middle of a desert.

They have some trees on their 1acre lease, but most of that is going to fall down now with no cover.

 

[TheCoachZed]

I'd rather own the land my camp was on, too, but Bam makes a good point - if your lot is in the right spot, you can have thousands of hectares of preserved land around you that you could never afford to buy on your own.

 

[Sako]

I had a camp on a crown lease until last year. At the time I had the feeling they were holding my camp ransom. Sold it for less than I had in it just to get out . I got the lease in 2001 and abided by all the rules. There was no camp on the lease as the original camp had collapsed and burnt. The lease I signed stated what I was to pay and that the lease expired in 2010. The lease was in a very remote location with the only access by boat. It took me 2 years to lug all the material up and build a small camp that we planned on building on to. According to the lease I had to have a building on the lease within 2 years. In the spring of 2004 we received our lease bill which had gone up 3 times the amount on our signed lease. I called the crown lands people and was told the reason for the increase was because we were now considered waterfront. Nothing had changed as far as water conditions since the signing of the lease but any water is considered waterfront, so I was told. Last spring we received another letter informing us the lease was going up again. The gentleman that wanted to purchase my camp was told about the increase and didn't mind the rate. He also knew he would have to have the lot surveyed even though he didn't own the land. He got it surveyed in August which cost him a fair chunk of change. No, I'm not a big fan of crown land leases.

 

[takin'time]

Having the prov. gov. as a landlord is a terrible idea. IMO
The only rule is; they change the rules to suit themselves and you have no ability to argue.
No matter what agreement you have it will change, in their favour.
Just ask the sugar maple producers.
Better to get your own land and you have more control, you can even target shoot off your own deck.

 

[S.Craig]

We have been leasing for over 50 years, three generations. It is a single lot so we don't get any complains from next door. Cost wise- taxes are always there but you would have a hard time finding for the money where the camp is located. The yearly lease wasn't bad until the forestry companies realized that they had to leave a buffer around the camps and they couldn't cut the wood so I think they tried to charge them over the top to give the single ones up. The ones that were close to water really were used because of their view. I know the province makes more of the same piece of land for a camp vs. any stumpage that they may get. Actually the ones that are within any buffer zones of a watercourse it is the only way to make revenue.

We will be staying as long as DNR doesn't get too greedy.

 

[Yotie]

After the letter i got today ,i think camp leases from the Goverment,especially Shawns ,is a shitty idea..Recieved lease an taxes ,paid lease ,let taxes go for couple months,to recover a bit in the wallet,but then got a registered letter saying i didn`t pay my taxes in 31 days,an that my lease was canceled. If i want to apply to get it back you have 15 day (300&HST non-refundable) if your sucessful it will be 200 reinstatement fee( plus HST of course )I have serviced the road at my expense(grading ,culverts etc)My camp is not moveable as there is no bridges either way ,one way is a Goverment road an bridge is colasping,the other road is UMOE`s (UPM)an it has no bridge,you wade the Salmon bearing brook with your truck,My family has had this camp for 30 plus years.. If this new 31 day law had come in effect ,i should have been told,or it should have been on my tax bill.but no,an no notice before hand. my advice,buy an old trailer park it by the river,run your suwer away like everyone else is doing ,don`t get a lease,the gov sucks as a landlord,another great Idea Shawn,THREE STRIKES an guess what?

 

[takin'time]

Like I said... sucks to have the government as a landlord and the rule and rate maker
A friend of mine has an acre lease and 2 years ago his landlord clearcut around him on 2 1/2 sides...so much for his "preserved" hunting area
.... next year......herbicide

Make the investment if you can and find a piece of ground you can call your own.
hunt, build a camp and make food plots and tree stands til your heart's content.
and target shoot from your back deck!

 

[greyghost]

"After the letter i got today ,i think camp leases from the Goverment,especially Shawns ,is a shitty idea..Recieved lease an taxes ,paid lease ,let taxes go for couple months,to recover a bit in the wallet,but then got a registered letter saying i didn`t pay my taxes in 31 days,an that my lease was canceled."

- That sounds a little funny , is that all there is to the story ? If so I'd be getting a hold of my MLA and get it straightened out .

"...and target shoot from your back deck! "
- I wouldn't want to be doing this when the Wardens and/or RCMP come a long .

 

[takin'time]

- I wouldn't want to be doing this when the Wardens and/or RCMP come a long .

I would and do!

 

[Yotie]

Grey ghost,there`s no more to it,and i guess i`m not alone,the guy at the post office says he has a **** load of the same registered letters an asumes there all for the same thing,know of three friends already in the same boat ,an yes i`ve been to my MLA who probley voted for the 31 day policy,pay in 31 days or reapply for it around $556.00 an may not even get it back,they passed an amendment to this bill secertly it seems,i have a copy of this letter if any body wishes to see it e-mail me [email protected] .. i have 15 days from the day of the registered letter to reapply,30 days to return my site to as before camp lease issued,i have a bridge out leaving both ways from my camp,so hauling it (30x18)out the road that my Jeep touches both sides now,doesn`t look like an option,lol....wonder if they`d mind me going accross the the brook with an D6 an a camp on skids..

 

[Yotie]

Just got through replacing stuff that was stolen from my camp this summer ,$1000 approx,really needed this .

 

[Yotie]

There was 460 leases out of 3000 that were at stake,but suppose to be straightened out now ,we`ll see,if it happens again(being over 30 days with paying Taxes or lease)i will loose it ,wish they wouldn`t send it then with your house taxes etc,lot to pay in 30 days,i will look at selling an get a private piece of ground soon,i guess ... still will have taxes but not required to pay in 30 days,lol