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I'll spend 50 cents on a dog i see running deer...........
I'm with you UH!I'll spend 50 cents on a dog i see running deer...........
Do your dogs run deer by chance?? I'm guessing they have before and you know about it. But like you suggested earlier if its unintentional then no harm no foul.........UGHThere was a study done in which deer hounds ran a herd of deer every day for a year, not one deer was killed do to this and the effect on the deer was not measrable. No I don't condone running deer, and yes some dogs have killed deer. In general a healthy deer is not going to have a problem, but it does pose an unneccesary risk and have a negative effect, I just think that effect has been blown out of proportion, 99 times out of 100 it has almost no effect. Startling a deer when you alone are walking a trail has a similar effect.
Wouldnt not knowing where your dog is for 15 minutes be negligent?? UGH againMy dogs are either contained to my property or I am in their control and company when we are not on my property, however there have been times when I have lost that control for 15 minutes or so, I accept responsibility for anything they do in that 15 minutes, I accept that I am taking a risk when we do go off my property and that things can happen and am fine with that as long as those things are not intentional or a result of negligence (unless it was private property).
Well, I think this thread may be descending into a pissing match. All I would say is be careful if you are going to pull the trigger on a dog because you think it is running deer. Sometimes a good hunting dog, especially a young dog, will still put on a dash for a deer, I am only talking a 100 m or so.I'll spend 50 cents on a dog i see running deer...........
http://www.jasperenvironmental.org/downloads/dogs-wildlife-society.pdfDo your dogs run deer by chance?? I'm guessing they have before and you know about it. But like you suggested earlier if its unintentional then no harm no foul.........UGH
Are you serious?? "startling a deer when you alone are walking a trail has a similar effect"
State your sources to the deer hound chase study and the similar effect theory so we can read it please.
Sure is, whats your point? Are you suggesting that if one person is negligent everyone should be?Wouldnt not knowing where your dog is for 15 minutes be negligent?? UGH again
The study you provided details that human contact in the winter does have an impact, it also however clearly states that domestic dogs not on leash have a far greater impact not only to deer but to all wildlife and moose especially react poorly to domestic dogs,and nowhere in there that I can see does it have any data relating to deer hounds running a herd of deer in deep snow every day for a year.There was a study done in which deer hounds ran a herd of deer every day for a year, not one deer was killed do to this and the effect on the deer was not measrable. No I don't condone running deer, and yes some dogs have killed deer. In general a healthy deer is not going to have a problem, but it does pose an unneccesary risk and have a negative effect, I just think that effect has been blown out of proportion, 99 times out of 100 it has almost no effect. Startling a deer when you alone are walking a trail has a similar effect.
Not suggesting that at all. I am suggesting by your own admission/quote that your a negligent dog owner and that during those "15" minutes you have NO IDEA what your dogs are doing to deer or any other wildlife or other people walking.Sure is, whats your point? Are you suggesting that if one person is negligent everyone should be?
That quote is part of the section where experiments were conducted by running hounds on deer that someone didn't see. I also don't exactly think that the data supports her own claims. Her thesis basically states that we know next to nothing about it, the effect is not measurable, but is small and negative so we should just err on the side of caution and not have dogs in the woods.I'm not sure if you read through the data that you provided or not but it's content and recommendations do not support your claims.
No one said the woods were off limits to dogs in the company of their owners. They are off limits as you put it to domestic dogs running at large.
up until the rain we got the other day there was no crust, it is still pretty slow going for the dogs at the moment. I have no problem with rangers shooting dogs they find chasing deer, just don't want everyone thinking they have a right to.I'm pretty shure that were this study took place there wasn't 3 feet of crusty snow in the woods i would think the chase time would be very short right now with the dog chewing on the deer sorry bud but thats why the rangers put them(dogs) down when found chasing deer...
Thanks for the tip, I didn't realize you were an expert on dogs as well.ONCE A DEER CASER ALWAYS A DEER CHASER THEY HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS THIS TIME OF YEAR WITHOUT SOMEONES HOUSE PET RUNNING THEM AROUND.......................
Coming from a guy who can't spell sense. I aspire to someday see things as clearly as you, you're so wise.no expert just common sence ...