[salmonhunter]

Its my first year hunting and I have been searching for a spot to hunt. I found 2 spots where I would like to hang a stand but they have yellow markers with no numbers on it. Is it wrong to go hunting in these spots? I have no idea how to get a hold of the property owners. If I shouldnt hunt these areas anyone got some tips on how to find a hunting area? I dont want you to tell me where to hunt just how to find somewhere to place a stand I took a few drives looking for a suitable place but everywhere I go it seems to be thick with pine trees.

 

[Chuck]

Its my first year hunting and I have been searching for a spot to hunt. I found 2 spots where I would like to hang a stand but they have yellow markers with no numbers on it. Is it wrong to go hunting in these spots? I have no idea how to get a hold of the property owners. If I shouldnt hunt these areas anyone got some tips on how to find a hunting area? I dont want you to tell me where to hunt just how to find somewhere to place a stand I took a few drives looking for a suitable place but everywhere I go it seems to be thick with pine trees.

Yellow disk is only valid if there is a reference number on it. And they have to be spaced correctly and posted with certain distances of the entrances and such. Put up a stand if you want but just be careful that it doesn't get sabotaged like someone else's a year or two ago.

 

[water_runner]

I would take Hoytman's advice. Having someone chew you out for technically following the rules, or having your stand sabotaged/hunt, can leave a bad taste in your mouth and put you off of hunting. Avoid this at all cost and take the time to find out whose land it is. Check your messages I am going to send you a PM or email with more info.

 

[Tobiquer]

Agree with Hoytman and Water Runner - if you really want to find out who owns the land, go to a goverment office, and for a fee you can access maps of properties with PIDs and owner information. I know you used to be able to do this at the Hugh John Flemming building in Fton. You can also likely do it online or check at SNB office.

 

[Tobiquer]

If you bring me a 24 I might let you in one of my stands!

 

[Bill Gass]

There is a map that shows all crown land in NB that I bought at the SNB office at the Hugh John Flemming Center in Fredericton. Also I believe that the NB Map atlas book shows crown land. Once you locate some crown land then it is open to all to hunt.

Bill G.

 

[bushslayer]

if you hunt there and hang a stand with yellow markers, that will lead to less spots hunters will be able to hunt.... i dont care about the rules and regulations like chuck says, the person put yellow markers up so he wants people to ask permission respect that. If there are neighbours around or houses stop and ask them who owns it they will know. Make the attempt first, cause that will come in your favour. Now as for the chuck post, where in the nb hunt book or the gnb website does it say that they must be properly numbered, all i read is that a yellow disc placed at all entrances and no greater then 100 metres on the property line means hunt, trap or whatever by permission only. From QDMA you can buy the disc they dont come labelled. If the markings are there, they are for a reason and no need for a hunter to go out and measure 110m between discs and decide it is legal to hunt there now. Ethics is the baseline for every hunter. I have 300 acres on a mature woods that belongs to me, i dont have it marked, but dont get me wrong i know everyone that comes in there and from where im from it doesnt need to be labelled cause a majority of the people ask me permission before entering. On another note while scouting on sunday came across a truck blocking the road 3 young fellas sitting there with water jugs, smoking a westie, asked them what was going on they came out and told me that they were watering there plants haha couldnt believe it, i told them who i was, that i was the property owner, and asked them to get rid of them, i wasnt going to call the rcmp but i dont want plants on my property, they were great they moved them that night, i gave them my number and the guy called the next day told me they were gone apologized and thanked me for being so good about it. i of course went out found the spot where they were growing and everything was gone. hahah i got a kick out it.

 

[bushslayer]

and salmon hunter if you do obtain permission make sure you tell him what your plans are, periods of hunting, make sure you have permission for your stand (preferably use a non permanant stand) and respect his decision, he could only own 50 acres and have 3 guys hunting there might not want any more. But theyre are plenty of spots out there and even if they arent marked try and find the property owner first and ask him cause it goes along way for us hunters in the long road one simple phone call

 

[4evrhntn]

Where abouts are you salmonhunter?

 

[SlickTrick]

where in the nb hunt book or the gnb website does it say that they must be properly numbered

Fish and Wildlife Act.

4.1A disk or a painted band referred to in paragraph 3(B ) shall be clearly marked with a unique identification number provided to the owner of the land by the Minister.

While "technically" the disks are invalid since they do not conform. The fact is that the owner of the land has posted it yellow. We all know what it means, and we as 'hunters' should respect that, so it does not become a 'red' disk in the future.

Asking permission to go there does a lot for hunters. If you are given permission, pack out your garbage, including any you see that is not yours. If you get your deer, offer the owner a few steaks. You can bet that your seat will be reserved for you next year.

 

[Chuck]

if you hunt there and hang a stand with yellow markers, that will lead to less spots hunters will be able to hunt.... i dont care about the rules and regulations like chuck says, the person put yellow markers up so he wants people to ask permission respect that. If there are neighbours around or houses stop and ask them who owns it they will know. Make the attempt first, cause that will come in your favour. Now as for the chuck post, where in the nb hunt book or the gnb website does it say that they must be properly numbered, all i read is that a yellow disc placed at all entrances and no greater then 100 metres on the property line means hunt, trap or whatever by permission only. From QDMA you can buy the disc they dont come labelled. If the markings are there, they are for a reason and no need for a hunter to go out and measure 110m between discs and decide it is legal to hunt there now. Ethics is the baseline for every hunter. I have 300 acres on a mature woods that belongs to me, i dont have it marked, but dont get me wrong i know everyone that comes in there and from where im from it doesnt need to be labelled cause a majority of the people ask me permission before entering. On another note while scouting on sunday came across a truck blocking the road 3 young fellas sitting there with water jugs, smoking a westie, asked them what was going on they came out and told me that they were watering there plants haha couldnt believe it, i told them who i was, that i was the property owner, and asked them to get rid of them, i wasnt going to call the rcmp but i dont want plants on my property, they were great they moved them that night, i gave them my number and the guy called the next day told me they were gone apologized and thanked me for being so good about it. i of course went out found the spot where they were growing and everything was gone. hahah i got a kick out it.

I wasn't debating whether permission should be asked or not, definitely ask permission if there is a land owner. Most likely someone found a great hunting spot and put up yellow/red disks to keep honest people out. I cannot find the legislation stating anything about numbers on the disks anymore either. I emailed the province but we'll see. The disk system is flawed anyways, if I wanted to keep my land for only me to hunt, I wouldn't put up red disks, I would put up yellow disks and just deny everyone permission who asked. So there is no point to red disks at all. As well no trespassing signs apply to motor vehicles only, on foot you can go wherever you want. To me people can do whatever they want with their land, but they should have to obey the laws set forth by the province and/or feds regarding proper posting of their land.

 

[Bowtech]

There is two types of Trespass. There is the "Common Law of Trespass" and there is motor vehicle trespass which is covered under the "Trespass Act". With the common law of trespass it is a civil matter but you can definitely be taken to court if someone wishes to pursue the matter. That means walking over someones ground, damage to property, etc. It usually isn't worth it to the landowner to pursue but if it is a recurring problem they might just to make a point.

You can get a brief intro to trespass at http://www.legal-info-legale.nb.ca/en/know_trespassing

There are very few properly posted properties and DNR will not prosecute if the property is not posted properly. That means disk size, spacing, etc.
Always best to ask and avoid problems or negative feelings towards the hunting community in general.

 

[Chuck]

There is two types of Trespass. There is the "Common Law of Trespass" and there is motor vehicle trespass which is covered under the "Trespass Act". With the common law of trespass it is a civil matter but you can definitely be taken to court if someone wishes to pursue the matter. That means walking over someones ground, damage to property, etc. It usually isn't worth it to the landowner to pursue but if it is a recurring problem they might just to make a point.

You can get a brief intro to trespass at http://www.legal-info-legale.nb.ca/en/know_trespassing

There are very few properly posted properties and DNR will not prosecute if the property is not posted properly. That means disk size, spacing, etc.
Always best to ask and avoid problems or negative feelings towards the hunting community in general.

Interesting, so you have to register the yellow bands/disks every year or they are invalid? Again though I believe you should ask permission no matter what. However it is nice to know that according to the law they need to be registered every year.

If you want to allow people to hunt, shoot, or trap, or any combination of these activities, on your property but only if they ask you first, then you may post yellow disks or put yellow painted bands around trees. These yellow disks and bands mean that the permission of the owner or occupier is required. You must register the posting of these yellow disks with the Minister of Natural Resources and Energy each year.

Signs must be posted at each corner of the land, at every entry point, and every 100 metres along the edge of the land.

If land is not posted under the provisions of the Fish and Wildlife Act, the law assumes that the owner has consented to the entry of people onto the land to hunt and trap. Even if the land is posted to prohibit hunting, the law allows a person to enter to go after and take wouded wildlife that has gone onto the land. Such a person would, however, be liable for any damage he or she might cause to the land. In any case, entry onto the land on a motor vehicle, may be restricted by the provisions of the Trespass Act.

 

[salmonhunter]

well water_runner thanks for the help that geonb sight is pretty neat sure beats just driving around looking for places now I can at least find somewhere to look on the map then go look in person. Im gonna have to go back to those spots i checked out the other day and see if i can find a house any wheres near by. for whoever was wondering where im from im from the moncton area and the land that Im trying to find the owner for in sailsbury. On a positive note I was talking to an older fella I work with and he says if i cant find somewhere to hunt hes gonna bring me to a spot he used to hunt like 10 years ago.

 

[Guest]

I believe DNR no longer manages identification numbers for property nor do they hand out yellow and red disks anymore. Last time I went to get some (about 6-7 years ago) they told me they don't do that anymore. They sent me to INFOR as they sold the disks for a buck or two each, but they don't register who's buying them or what PID they are going on.
Somebody already mentioned it above...ask a local or two, they will know. If not, check around on a Saturday or Sunday morning as that's when your averge woodlot owner might be around doing some work.
Don't do what they do in NS and ignore land owners privacy and private property. Ask permission, plain and simple.

T

 

[bushslayer]

yeah sorry chuck, i just hate it how people use the tiniest grey area in the law and take advantage of it. I always ask the property owner before entering marked or unmarked (at least make the attempt). Its more of a courtesy then anything just so if something does happen or you see something you can always let him know so they dont come upon it by surprise and might blame you. But salmon hunter anytime you come up fredericton area get in touch ill take yah out and show yah some areas.

 

[Bearhunter]

If it is a rural area non posted, fair game!

 

[Bowtech]

I believe DNR no longer manages identification numbers for property nor do they hand out yellow and red disks anymore. Last time I went to get some (about 6-7 years ago) they told me they don't do that anymore. They sent me to INFOR as they sold the disks for a buck or two each, but they don't register who's buying them or what PID they are going on.
Somebody already mentioned it above...ask a local or two, they will know. If not, check around on a Saturday or Sunday morning as that's when your averge woodlot owner might be around doing some work.
Don't do what they do in NS and ignore land owners privacy and private property. Ask permission, plain and simple.

T

DNR still manages the disk system although they do not sell the disks anymore. It is still your responsibility to register a number and confirm it each year and put the number on your disks. I just called this morning and confirmed my number. I'll have to take a walk this weekend and make sure she is all posted right. Last year I had a problem on one back corner. The neighbours took down a couple red disks on the sanctuary area so they could say it wasn't posted properly if they got caught in there but I usually take a walk about during season to check and put them back up. I'll be putting cameras up in there this fall and catch them if they do it again.

 

[Bowtech]

If it is a rural area non posted, fair game!

True...until they tell you to leave.

 

[takin'time]

A really good source for the landowner info you are looking for is the woodlot owner groups around the province.
Check out the New Brunswick Federation of Woodlot Owners website for address and # of the office in your area.
In southeast NB the office is in Scoudouc
In southern NB the office is in Sussex on the Drurys Cove Rd. (they have a GIS program that is 2nd to none,you can get aerial photos printed off from their program + 20 years of siliculture color coded on the maps!
In Fredericton the office is @ the old Wilkins sawmill site on the Royal Road.

The others I'm not sure There are 4 more.

As a landowner I have not posted my land because its too much of a pain.
Anyone I see there I talk to them and tell them who I am. Then they ask if I mind that they hunt there.
All I ask is " don't litter don't drive nails in my trees and pick up any garbage you find"