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I'm not trying to be difficult here, but is there any reason companies like Irving and others need to be involved in this study? Legit question. Is it funding they are assisting with? It just seems that with them involved, the results may miraculously make it appear as though they are not part of the problem. It seems tantamount to involving anti gun activists in a project studying the correlation between firearms and crime rates. Can we really expect fair and accurate results? Perhaps it's just the cynic in me. Lol.
 

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that was my whole point for posting it....

they are doing a study that isnt going to change anything or findings that cant be public without ppl getting fired....or sorry...let go!

We are all in the woods enough to know the real reason why the deer population is down .....its not rocket science....look at the woods......oh wait...what woods

but the govt can say....look ...we are doing something!

to be honest....i havent even started getting ready for deer season....and anyone who knows me...will know that is odd for me...i dont know if ....i even want to deer hunt this year....the deer herd is just in that bad of shape!
 

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I didn't buy a tag last year because of the lack of deer in my area, actually hoped that DNR would close the season or at least a few zones to give them a chance. Unfortunately its more about money, what do you do with the herd in jeopardy........add a weapon to put more pressure on them. Who is the wildlife minister?? is his name Irving
 

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I believe there was a plan all along.... they knew when the Deer numbers went down so does the interested number of potential protesters/voters drop off, and as more people stop hunting Deer the traditions of deer hunting Camps and family deer hunts become something of the olden Days, more people loose interest and so do the potential number of people to stand up or Mont any coordinated effort against them, Its is a numbers game and when deer hunters numbers become low enough they will simply not have to worry about a small group of protesters!! They will tell us to go fishing instead... Fishing..back when you could keep 15 trout, and you had10 grilse Tags there were lots of fisherman but now ..........etc.....etc.....
 

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I have to agree old guide!

to me i think the deer herd is at an all time low.....when you compare hunters to deer.....in the last 10 yrs the deer hunters have dropped...the young kids of today dont have the interest in it....unless being brought up with hunting!
 

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When a generation or two stop hunting Deer the traditions and knowledge of what the province once had for a potential Deer herd drops off, they general public will Think we have plenty of Deer in our province because they cannot keep them out of their Gardens in the Suburban areas , in reality we will only have a fraction of the Deer herd this province once had , and still should have today.
 

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Let's see, they started a deer study group that includes the province and Irving and say they are going to look at how snowfall and coyotes affect deer numbers. The province has made a statement that coyotes and winter are what affects the deer numbers (not spraying). So the results are going to come back that coyotes and winter affect the survival of deer in a negative way, which they do but since the only factors they are looking at is coyotes and winter they can say yup, we studied the reasons for deer number decline and have found that winters and coyotes both negatively affect deer numbers, just what we have been saying all along and we have backed it up with a scientific study that proves it. Brilliant, lol
 

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Doesn't sound like much of a study. 100 collars in NB and another 100 in Maine. Looks like JDI 's gonna exonerate himself on the cheap this time! How much are we forkin over for the JDI "HAHAHA It's not my fault" exposé? I wonder.
 

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130 - 140 satellite collars is actually a pretty large number for a deer study. It wouldn't surprise me if the collars are close to or over $1000 each.
 

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130 - 140 satellite collars is actually a pretty large number for a deer study. It wouldn't surprise me if the collars are close to or over $1000 each.
actually...when we used them for the ducks and geese ....they were $200 per collar when i worked for Canadian Wildlife Service but that was back in the late 80's early 90's
 

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Let's see, they started a deer study group that includes the province and Irving and say they are going to look at how snowfall and coyotes affect deer numbers. The province has made a statement that coyotes and winter are what affects the deer numbers (not spraying). So the results are going to come back that coyotes and winter affect the survival of deer in a negative way, which they do but since the only factors they are looking at is coyotes and winter they can say yup, we studied the reasons for deer number decline and have found that winters and coyotes both negatively affect deer numbers, just what we have been saying all along and we have backed it up with a scientific study that proves it. Brilliant, lol
exactly Bowtech...you hit that one right on the money!
 

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actually...when we used them for the ducks and geese ....they were $200 per collar when i worked for Canadian Wildlife Service but that was back in the late 80's early 90's
I assume those were radio tags and not satellite tags?
 

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Reminiscent of deer yard/wintering area(DWAs) study,no?
In the 1980s,NB had 900+ identified and protected from wood harvest DWAs.
Eliminate the surrounding habitat.....no more deer around to utilize DWA.....no deer/no DWA protection....cut'er down.
Fast forward 30 years.....<200 DWAs.....if there's no deer to use them,no need to protect habitat.
 

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Reminiscent of deer yard/wintering area(DWAs) study,no?
In the 1980s,NB had 900+ identified and protected from wood harvest DWAs.
Eliminate the surrounding habitat.....no more deer around to utilize DWA.....no deer/no DWA protection....cut'er down.
Fast forward 30 years.....<200 DWAs.....if there's no deer to use them,no need to protect habitat.
Yup!

They didn't even wait for the deer to vacate many of the DWA's, just assumed they would leave I guess, and started cutting. That's how it went down in the Simpson's field deer yard. Concerned citizens were told to mind their own business.
 

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Let's see, they started a deer study group that includes the province and Irving and say they are going to look at how snowfall and coyotes affect deer numbers. The province has made a statement that coyotes and winter are what affects the deer numbers (not spraying). So the results are going to come back that coyotes and winter affect the survival of deer in a negative way, which they do but since the only factors they are looking at is coyotes and winter they can say yup, we studied the reasons for deer number decline and have found that winters and coyotes both negatively affect deer numbers, just what we have been saying all along and we have backed it up with a scientific study that proves it. Brilliant, lol
Completely agree, we have always had winter and we have always had deer, because in the winter they had a place to go, now they have no place to go so the winter beats the crap out of them, throw in a few coyotes and the issue multiplies. So yes winter and coyotes are the problem, we all get that, but the question is why is winter now a problem when it wasn't before, whats changed...maybe some cutting and spraying?
 

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Yes,winter has always been a factor on the northern fringe of WT range in North America,but It's been a perfect storm/quadruple whammy/deer disaster since the herd peaked mid-1980s.
1)selective cutting with chainsaws and skidders replaced by harvesters and moonscapes.
2)natural regen of woody browse replaced with monoculture softwood farms and herbicide spraying.
3)fur market crash early 90's allowed coyote population explosion....since the first yotes appeared in NB 1950s,yotie numbers had been kept in check by trappers.1990s...no more trappers/wayyyyyy more coyotes.
4)Accessability....there is no more wilderness/deep woods sanctuary for core populations of deer to thrive,live,and die of old age.a)everybody and their mother has a quad/ATV these days as opposed to 70s-80s when trikes were just gaining popularity.
b)you can't hardly walk a straight line for a mile in NB without crossing a power line,pipeline,log haul road,ATV trail any more.
c)umpteen dozen places I could name as examples in zone 20 that were an all day adventure to reach on trike/dirt bike/hike in......now you can drive there in soccer Mom's minivan or Grandpas Cadillac.

Deer herd has been under attack from every angle for decades,it's any wonder there's even one deer left to go look at in a park somewhere FFS!! :(
 

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Well said, the population numbers are interesting as well. the 60s and 70s saw an average herd of 50,000. This upticked in the 80s to 240,000 which peaked with the fur crash but likely there was a access issue too with so many deer. The numbers are coming down but seem to be holding at 50,000. Perhaps 50,000 is a sustainable herd in NB. If we limit the factors you mention including having ORV no go zones for wintering herds, we could likely sustain a population of 70-80K. I see nothing wrong with a winter feeding program as well, dropping food into winter beds by aircraft to assist the population.
 

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Well, that is hopeful. There seems to be little if anything left to be taken away from crown land. I hear men lament that there is about 5 years worth of wood left out there, then they seem to be expecting a hard crash in the industry... dunno about that but, if we still have deer in these harshest of conditions, maybe there's hope of stabilizing a core population as the forest begins to heal. Perhaps that's where our efforts should be aimed. We're not getting anywhere with stopping Irving so maybe we should push for more money/programs for renaturalization of our scarified forests in whatever form that may be.(Good luck with that!! I know...)

And everyone of us who hunt, should also take some time to hunt coyote. There may not be many trappers but there are still 10's of thousands of us whining hunters to do the job. We just haven't done it and that's a crying shame on us and nobody else.
 
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