I was hunting near the TCHighway near Petitcodiac. I crossed the Road just past Riverglade Speedway. The RCMP were in the turn around and yelled for me to come to him, with hand on holster. There ended up being 2 cars and 3 RCMP there. They aksed for all ID and then the Sargent said to use common sense and wear hunters orange vest, I had the orange hat. I advised him that it was only required from Sept1-Dec31.He aslo advised not to have the gun open/visible. This was all nice advice. Then he continued to tell me you cannot hunt within 1000ft of a roadway. I stated that DNR says safely from roadside was what is taught, he said that is wrong. I was carrying a 22, with peep sight, varmint hunting and was empty there anyway. I believe I may have SNUCK up on them and they felt vulnerable. They were professional. My question is why are DNR and RCMP officers so badly trained and misinformed about rules/laws and don't know how to work together to get they infromation straight???Luckily honesty being the best policy worked......For today....
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Cause a lot of them have no experience hunting themselves and they spaz out when they see someone that isn't law enforcement carrying a weapon. The problem: they are too ignorant to educate themselves on the actual rules for citizens carrying firearms. Its hard to say whether they are required to study those laws or not. You would think so?
Then you'll run into the odd one that hunts and is very friendly and easy to get along with. Just depends on the day!
Sorry i shouldnt be too hard on them though, you can never be too careful in their profession.. but some of them are real dinks to deal with when it comes to hunting.
Then you'll run into the odd one that hunts and is very friendly and easy to get along with. Just depends on the day!
Sorry i shouldnt be too hard on them though, you can never be too careful in their profession.. but some of them are real dinks to deal with when it comes to hunting.
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If the police officer doesn't know the rules and regulations pertaining to the wearing of orange, that is his problem; he should not, however, dictate to you what is "common sense". In this situation, simply inform the officer of the rules and regs (politely!) and move on with the business at hand.
Having a rifle/shotgun "open/visible" is in no way, shape or form against the law or regulations. Again, if you choose to inform the officer of that, being polite is key, lol.
1000ft of a roadway??? Obviously, the officer with whom you spoke is grossly misinformed and, in my opinion, very poorly trained. It is surprising that this sort of ignorance exists within the ranks of the RCMP.
While this encounter went well for you, and I applaud you for your handling of the situation, it is this lack of knowledge and training within the RCMP that could cause significant problems for some who are unable to hold their tongue during such an encounter. Informing an RCMP officer that he/she is wrong and or misinformed in anything but a "gentle" manner can often land folks in trouble should the officer's pride/ego/etc be hurt.
I would like to add that I am not "anti-police" in any way shape or form, I just find it quite ridiculous when an RCMP officer is not aware of the laws which he /she is enforcing....
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Valid point, I agree.
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Years and years ago I took my hunter safety and firearm safety course with an RCMP officer ( fellow student). He was amazed at the course and could not believe how well safety was taught! For them they were given their firearm sent to the range and instructed only on aim and shoot. I don't know how much truth there is to this since it came from one guy but given some of my experiences when stopped while hunting it would not surprise me.
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a common sense approach..
General
It is unlawful to:
9. discharge a firearm from or cause a projectile from a firearm to pass
along or across:
a) a provincial highway,
b) a road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly maintained, unless
m the road is held under any active disposition under the Public
Lands Act or under an order under the Surface Rights Act, or
m the person is hunting game birds with a shotgun under the
authority of a licence.
Note: if there is no identifiable ditch or fence to mark the outside
edge of the roadway, then the roadway extends 20 feet from the edge
of the traveled portion
General
It is unlawful to:
9. discharge a firearm from or cause a projectile from a firearm to pass
along or across:
a) a provincial highway,
b) a road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly maintained, unless
m the road is held under any active disposition under the Public
Lands Act or under an order under the Surface Rights Act, or
m the person is hunting game birds with a shotgun under the
authority of a licence.
Note: if there is no identifiable ditch or fence to mark the outside
edge of the roadway, then the roadway extends 20 feet from the edge
of the traveled portion
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I don't think the DNR officer who shot that moose 3 or 4 times a few years back in the Moncton area was very well trained. I believe Glader just meant to mention DNR because these are the guys we mostly deal with and sometimes we deal with a lemon, other times we deal with very well trained individuals...
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Where did that come from Daveyn?
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I spoke with the RCMP about a particular area I wanted to hunt. Their response was "Well here is the number you should call to get an answer to that question." Which was a number for the DNR office I had just spoke to. I only called the RCMP to find out if there might be an issue with me hunting ducks in that area on the SJR as it was closer to an urban area then I usually hunt.
DNR's response was as long as I was the right distance from residences (200M in this case) and firing in a safe direction ie: Not across the road or at a distance that would put a motor vehicle travelling on the road at rivers edge in jeopardy of being hit with a pellet then I was good.
DNR's response was as long as I was the right distance from residences (200M in this case) and firing in a safe direction ie: Not across the road or at a distance that would put a motor vehicle travelling on the road at rivers edge in jeopardy of being hit with a pellet then I was good.
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I would just ease out of the situation. Make sure what your doing is always legal. And go about my day. Police intimidation is lame.
some years back, on halloween, I was driving out of moncton on the homestead road. One of the big fields on steeves mtn had deer in it but they were far enough away I couldnt tell the sex. the field was not posted so i parked on the side of the road and walked in along the woodline. after walking in 300 yards of so, I determined they were all does and started to walk out. I was met by an irate farmer in his truck. He starts yelling that he kicked me out of there already that day and the cops were coming. he wouldnt let me leave the field so I just waited. as darkness approached, I proceeded to head to my truck, farmer starts freaking out again, and I said my gun needs to be in the case at dark. cops finally show and we have a discussion....first the cop didnt know it was hunting season, second he didn't know anything about posting of lands regulations, but the part he did know about, was the farmers wife running back to the house all out of breathe and calling them stating her husband was in a fight with a guy that had a gun. Mr officer told the other 6 cops they could return to town, that there was no incident. I was told to go on my way, while the farmer had some discussions. They may not know all or any of the rules, and don't normally need to, but most have common sense or ideas.
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Key word " MOST"
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Pulled it off of Alberta Hunting regs. It just seems to make the rules very clear and seems to make good sense, even if its not the rule here its not a bad guideline to follow.
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If you're saying that its a good thing that in NB its okay to shoot from the road then I couldn't disagree with you more, shooting from roads, along roads and down roads is dangerous and irresponsible, some fellas posted pictures of themselves on this site not to long ago set up so they could shoot down a road to sight in their rifles. All proud of the neat groupings they were getting with the new rifle. Nothing illegal about it, just stupid and irresponsible, which is why we need laws to protect us from people who do stupid irresponsible things because they can't seem to figure out for themselves that what they are doing is stupid and irresponsible, So we have to make it illegal or they keep doing it.
As long as its legal to shoot from the road there will be idiots driving around with loaded guns beside them in the truck in case a deer runs across the road in front of them. then they can grab the loaded gun skid to a stop throw the door open, drag the loaded gun with the barrel either pointed at the passenger or at themselves and start firing down the road at the deer running away while somebody else is just over the next hill coming in the opposite direction. Moose season the worst., if its against the law to shoot from the road there will still be idiots around with loaded guns in the truck, but there will be less of them, but there will also be a lot of people who think that law would be just stupid..
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yeah wonder why they spaz out when they see someone walking around carrying a weapon...
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There's quite obviously (to most people, but not all apparently, daveyn) a big difference between someone walking armed in a neighbourhood/city loaded to the nines and someone walking out in the country with hunting gear and a single weapon getting questioned for crossing a road on their way to continue a hunt.
That was a very opportunistic post buddy, on a seemingly unrelated situation involving an ongoing tragedy.
That was a very opportunistic post buddy, on a seemingly unrelated situation involving an ongoing tragedy.
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The post is relevant. The point that you fail to grasp is that its never obvious and cops are nervous around people with guns for good reason. The guy in Moncton might have been obvious, the guy in Mayerthorpe maybe not. Instead of complaining about the inconveniance of being stopped and questioned just because you are walking across a public road behind a police car with a rifle in your hand, understand that guns make people (cops) nervous. Put the gun on the ground and thank the cop for being there to check you out. He's not spazzin out, he's making sure he's safe, the public is safe and you are safe.
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Buddy you trolled an old thread and tried to make a high and mighty point that apparently before last night, you had no more comments about. Very bad timing on your part.
I had plenty of colleagues down in Moncton, i face the dangers of encountering nut jobs with guns everyday in my line of work, to suggest to me I "don't grasp" this subject is pretty bold.
And no they aren't related, we were talking about RCMP who aren't familiar with hunting and gun laws giving hunters a hard time on back roads, with hunting clothing and a single weapon.
And as I said in my post several weeks ago, there are a lot of RCMP officers that know their stuff when it comes to civilian gun laws and hunting rights. In all likeliness they would great you with a smile, ask if you've had any luck, ask if you have a possession license and where your headed and say have a nice day. But some just straight up don't know the laws, and like was said before, approach a hunter with their hand on their pistol in an aggressive manner.
We aren't suggesting that you should be able to walk through a city, armed to the tits, and not get the book thrown at you.
Sorry, I had to edit and delete several posts before I came up with one where I wasn't obviously fuming mad at your opportunistic comments during such a horrific event.
I had plenty of colleagues down in Moncton, i face the dangers of encountering nut jobs with guns everyday in my line of work, to suggest to me I "don't grasp" this subject is pretty bold.
And no they aren't related, we were talking about RCMP who aren't familiar with hunting and gun laws giving hunters a hard time on back roads, with hunting clothing and a single weapon.
And as I said in my post several weeks ago, there are a lot of RCMP officers that know their stuff when it comes to civilian gun laws and hunting rights. In all likeliness they would great you with a smile, ask if you've had any luck, ask if you have a possession license and where your headed and say have a nice day. But some just straight up don't know the laws, and like was said before, approach a hunter with their hand on their pistol in an aggressive manner.
We aren't suggesting that you should be able to walk through a city, armed to the tits, and not get the book thrown at you.
Sorry, I had to edit and delete several posts before I came up with one where I wasn't obviously fuming mad at your opportunistic comments during such a horrific event.
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